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Intelligence, IQ and the g Factor (Science)

By JensAAMC
Sat Jan 4th, 2003 at 10:24:29 AM EST

Science

A year ago there was a big fuss in Denmark. A researcher reported a sex difference in intelligence in school children of age 16. Unfortunately, the debate was marred by the media's incorrect description of the results. The willingness of people not familiar with the theory behind IQ to jump into the debate did not help.

The purpose of this article is not to discuss the specific experiment and debate. Instead I give a brief introduction to the field of IQ testing and the theory behind it. Hopefully this will give you a better basis for forming an opinion should an IQ debate ensue near you. I will try my best to focus on scientific facts rather than political issues.

 


IQ tests
IQ (intelligence quotient) tests come in all styles and shapes. Some require special knowledge, i.e., proficiency in a particular language or knowledge of basic mathematics. Others aim to be culture fair and use only knowledge that is supposed to be known in all cultures and do not require formal education. Some give the test-taker plenty of time to answer the questions, others restrict the time allowed to accomplish the test.

If you take an IQ test it may run something like this. First you take what resembles a written exam of about an hour of duration, during which you have to answer a bunch of questions. Having handed in your answers your job is now over. The psychologist responsible for correcting the test will now tally the number of correct answers. This number is your raw score. After doing so he converts the raw score into an IQ. In this conversion he may take into account your age and sex.

IQ scores are distributed according to a normal distribution with a mean of 100. A normal distribution is characterized by its mean and its standard deviation (SD). Most people score close to the mean. The further we go from the mean, the less people obtain those scores. A score of 100 + 1 SD corresponds to being in the top 15.9%, a score of 100 + 2 SD corresponds to being in the top 2.2%, while a score of 100 + 3 SD corresponds to being in the top 0.1%. Typically tests use SD=16, but tests with SD=15 and SD=24 can also be found.

The g factor
IQ tests are interesting because they provide good estimates of the g factor.

Before explaining what this factor is about, let us recall the concept of correlation. The correlation is a number between -1 and 1 that measures the linear relationship between two variables. If the correlation is 1 then the variables have a positive linear relationship A correlation of 0 indicates that they do not have any linear dependency. A correlation of -1 means that they have a negative linear relationship.

The g factor emerges in factor analysis of tests that are varied and balanced. By varied I mean that there are many different types of questions in the tests, i.e., verbal, logical, spatial, etc. By balanced I mean that there are several questions of each type in the test. In other words we have a test consisting of several subtests with specific types of questions.

When a large number of people take such a test we may compute the correlation of the raw scores for each pair of subtests. If the correlation between two subtests is high it means that a test-taker doing well on the first is likely to do well also on the second. Factor analysis allows us to form groups of subtests that are highly correlated. That a group of subtests are positively correlated means that there is some common skill involved in solving those questions. Using factor analysis we may compute how much the subtests rely on this common or primary factor.

Interestingly the primary factors are usually not independent. Again we may find groups of primary factors that are correlated and use factor analysis to extract common or secondary factors for these. Usually already in the second round a single general factor emerges.

Amazingly it is usually the same general factor that arises for different tests and a variety of culturally and ethnically different groups of test-takers. We can therefore speak of the general factor, the g factor (the g stands for general.)

We note that the g factor is something we came about in an indirect way. It cannot be seen and measured directly, and it cannot be put on a ratio scale. It is therefore not the case that somebody with an IQ of 200 is twice as intelligent as somebody with an IQ of 100. From IQs we can only infer relative information, namely where on the distribution somebody lies in comparison with the rest of the population.

Biological correlates of g
The physical causes for high or low g are not well known. Several correlations with biological phenomena have been found. Examples are the sex hormone balance, brain glucose metabolism, brain size and to a lesser extend head size.

Significance of g
Many things of real life importance are correlated with g. Positively correlated with g are for instance length of formal education, occupational success, income, altruism, creativity and social skills. Negatively correlated are for instance crime, psychoticism, racial prejudice, authoritarianism and number of children.

Can g be altered?
It is possible to increase scores on IQ tests through practice. However, when analyzing such results it turns out that the increases are not in g. Rather such increases mean that people have increased their test taking skill. Various school projects have been made attempting to increase g but they have in general been unsuccessful.

Twin studies show that g is around 80% inherited and 20% environmental. This leaves little hope of increasing g, unless we find out a way to produce larger environmental difference than the one experienced by monozygotic twins reared apart.

We should, however, mention the mysterious Flynn effect. In the last decades IQ scores have increased by 0.2 SDs per decade. Considering that people with low IQ tend to have more children we would expect a decrease in IQ over these years, not an increase.

Politically dangerous topics
It is well established that men and women differ in some of the primary factors. In particular men outperform women in terms of spatial reasoning, while women outperform men on some verbal tasks. Jensen says in his book that there is no difference between men and women's mean g, or in the variance of g. Some researchers claim there is a small difference favoring males.

Races do differ in IQ scores. Highest scoring are Ashkenazim Jews (100 + 1 SD) and some groups of Asians. Lowest scoring are black Africans (100 - 2 SD).

Lynn has considered the connection between nations' GNPs and their average IQs. It turns out that there is a positive correlation. It therefore seems like g does not only have consequences on the individual level but can also be used in explanations of demographical phenomena.

Intelligence
So far I have not considered the word "intelligence" in its everyday use at all. A critique sometimes raised is that one cannot measure intelligence. Another critique sometimes raised is that intelligence has not been appropriately defined. My take on this issue is that I believe that there is a high positive correlation between who people label as intelligent and IQ scores of those persons. I am therefore willing to accept IQ scores as a measure of intelligence, even if they may not correspond perfectly to whom I would label as being intelligent.

Other factors
Attempts have been made to make tests that measure creativity. This field has not been as successful as the field of making IQ tests. IQ scores and creativity scores do have some positive correlation.

Emotional intelligence has enjoyed success in terms of selling books. To the best of my knowledge there are no tests of EQ that rest on a solid scientific basis.

Eysenck used factor analysis on personality tests and found three general factors: introversion/extroversion, psychoticism and neuroticism. Neuroticism in particular has some predictive power in terms of occupational success.

Gardner has a theory of "multiple intelligences". Originally he had seven such intelligences mathematical/logical, verbal, spatial, musical, kinesthetic, interpersonal, intrapersonal, but more have been added. A misunderstanding that I see from time to time is that IQ tests are intended to measure the mathematical/logical intelligence that Gardner is referring to. This is not correct; the g factor is a more general factor. My guess is that if one-dimensional tests of Gardners' intelligences are ever constructed then IQ scores will be highly correlated with the first three of Gardners' original seven intelligences and moderately correlated with the latter four.

Sternberg has a "triarchic" theory of intelligence. As far as I understand he does not find IQ to be a sufficient measure for intelligence. His goal is to find a better theory that subsumes the present theory of intelligence.

Literature and links
A. Jensen: "The g Factor: The Science of Mental Ability". An excellent and thorough book. Much of the information in this article has been taken from this book.

H. Eysenck: "Intelligence: A New Look". A good book on IQ that is easier to read than Jensen's book.

C. Brand: "The g Factor - General Intelligence and its Implications". Online book which was never published in paper due to political correctness.

R. Lynn, T. Vanhanen: "Intelligence and the Wealth and Poverty of Nations". An article on the correlation between average national IQs and GNPs.

D. Kimura: "Sex Differences in the Brain" [PDF]. An article on sex differences in mental abilities, and the effect of hormones on mental abilities.

Interview with Jensen. A Mega Society interview with A. Jensen from 2001.

Interview with Sternberg. An interview in Skeptic with R. Sternberg from 1995.

No title. An article on the Flynn effect. Judging from data obtained from Danish conscripts IQs may have peaked and started declining.

The Role of Intelligence in Modern Society. An article in American Scientist by E. Hunt from 1995.

Mainstream Science on Intelligence. A statement on intelligence signed by 52 researchers. Originally published in Wall Street Journal in 1994.

APA Task Force Examines the Knowns and Unknowns of Intelligence. Press release from American Psychological Association on a task force report on intelligence in 1996.

Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns. The APA task force report on intelligence from 1996. Deals with many of the issues treated in the present article.

Intelligence Theory and Testing. University of Indiana site containing brief descriptions of scientists involved in intelligence research as well as some short articles on intelligence.

Disclaimer
I am not a psychologist, psychometrician or a statistician.

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What is your IQ?
o Never taken an IQ test 22%
o Above 100 + 3 SD 28%
o Above 100 + 2 SD 30%
o Above 100 + 1 SD 7%
o Above 100 0%
o Above 100 - 1 SD 0%
o Below 100 - 1 SD 3%
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o C. Brand: "The g Factor - General Intelligence and its Implications"
o R. Lynn, T. Vanhanen: "Intelligence and the Wealth and Poverty of Nations"
o D. Kimura: "Sex Differences in the Brain"
o Interview with Jensen
o Interview with Sternberg
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o The Role of Intelligence in Modern Society
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o APA Task Force Examines the Knowns and Unknowns of Intelligence
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Intelligence, IQ and the g Factor | 345 comments (319 topical, 26 editorial, 0 pending)
Bwahahahaha (4.75 / 4) (#322)
by Wolf Keeper on Tue Jan 7th, 2003 at 11:38:12 AM EST

Look at the poll!  28% of the 300+ respondents have an IQ in the range of 100 + 3 standard deviations (top 0.1% of population) and over 30% have an IQ in the range of 100 + 2 standard deviations (top 2.2% of the population).

No wonder kuro5hin is so enlightened!  We are in the midst of genius!  I must bow down and worship in awe.  For over half of the members here are smarter than 49 of every 50 people they meet, and fully one quarter are smarter than all but one person in every thousand.  The average IQ is 100, but somehow this website's average is actually well above 100 + 1 full standard deviation.  Amazing.

Let me guess.  Most of you took a few online IQ tests and were pleasantly surprised by the high results you received in your email.  The email also had advertisements for more information.  The company posting the test couldn't have inflated your scores, could they?  They might try something like that flattery to get your business, but of course you are all way too smart to fall for such a trick.

Of course, I with my ridiculously low IQ could be wrong.  Perhaps I truly am surrounded by Einsteins, Kants, Newtons, and Hegels.  


Most of the information here is FRAUDULENT (4.60 / 5) (#309)
by Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters on Tue Jan 7th, 2003 at 01:17:05 AM EST
(mertz@gnosis.cx) http://gnosis.cx/

Literally here.  Not just wrong, but based on actual scientific fraud.  Cyril Burt for decades did the bulk of the work reported around Q and the heritability of IQ.  It turns out that Burt committed outright falsification for decades--inventing co-authors, subjects, results, etc. whole clothe to support eugenic notions of the heritability of IQ.  This is probably the largest fraud ever committed in science.  But then, it also fits a number of prevalent racist and sexist belief systems, so the fraud has been largely downplayed in mainstream discussion.

Jensen, of course, is Burt's principle student and advocate.  While he was not involved in the outright fraud, he certainly failed to take any lesson from its exposure by Richard Lewontin.  All that stuff about 80% heritability and the like is pure Burt numbers, it has absolutely no other basis or origin.

I don't think the author of the article means to perpetuate a fraud... I just think s/he was deceived, and a bit naive.  But most of the writeup should be taken with a truckload of salt.

 
Lead Paint and Intelligence (4.00 / 1) (#268)
by rujith on Mon Jan 6th, 2003 at 11:29:40 AM EST
http://home.att.net/~rujith/

People downplay the significance of intelligence, saying that it's hard to define, a cultural construct, insufficient for success in life, etc. All true, to some extent. But let me ask you this: would you bring up your children in a house with lead paint or lead plumbing, given that lead is well-known to decrease intelligence? If not, then I suggest that maybe intelligence is more important than some people are willing to concede.

What's the big deal about intelligence? (5.00 / 3) (#244)
by ryochiji on Mon Jan 6th, 2003 at 12:11:48 AM EST
http://ryo.iloha.net

I think a lot of people exaggerate the importance (or inadequacy) of IQ and forget that it's a number that's appropriate for some things, and inappropriate for others.  It's neither the absolute measure of humans, nor a pile political bullshit.

Personally, I've always been told that I was smart.  It did seem like I've always been able to solve complex problems that many people struggle with, and I do seem to learn new things with less effort than a lot of people.  So a few days ago, I decided to take an IQ test for the first time in my life, and see what it had to say.  I scored 142 and the little chart at the end said one in 200 people get that score or higher.

What does this all mean?  It means I'm better at solving certain types of problems than the majority of the general public.  And that's all it means.  As far as I'm concerned, it's a characteristic, not a quality.  Like the color of your eyes, it's something that makes you who you are, but it's not something that makes you better or worse than anyone else.  I can do a lot of things better than a lot of people, but heck of a lot of people can do heck of a lot of things I can't do.  In fact, even if I am "smart" it certainly doesn't make me happier or even more "successful" (whatever that means).

Does IQ measure a person's intelligence?  In my opinion, yes.  Does a person's intelligence mean anything?  In the greater scheme of things, no, I don't think it does.

So where would one get an official IQ test? (none / 0) (#238)
by spectecjr on Sun Jan 5th, 2003 at 09:17:37 PM EST

And I'm not talking about the Mensa ones; I tried their at-home test, and found at least 7 questions which were fundamentally flawed (including several, where they were asking for only one answer and there were 2 or 3 correct answers for that question). Anyone know of anywhere doing the Stanford-Binet test in Seattle?

 
Why leftists are so afraid of this subject (4.00 / 9) (#228)
by ogre on Sun Jan 5th, 2003 at 05:41:50 PM EST

First off, I don't believe there is any stasticial difference in intelligence among races. Over the last twenty years, average IQ has risen by a factor larger than the measured differences in races. Furthermore, the genetic differences between races are tiny, far less than the genetic differences within a single race so it is nearly certain that whatever genes are involved in higher intelligence were equally available in all populations. Finally intelligence is a survival facter and I find it implausible that living in Africa over the last twenty thousand years or so has selected for this survival factor less than living in Europe or Asia has.

Consequently, I believe any apparent differences in intelligence are due to environmental factors or to measurement problems, and the way to find out is to do more research. And it is important to find out for several reasons. First, it will help us to understand intelligence and may lead to better methods of education, better ways for people to find careers that they will be good at and enjoy, better ways to deal with learning disabilities, etc. Second, it will give better arguments to people about why racism is unreasonable. Third, it may identify environmental factors that can be changed to make everyone better off.

These are all goals that western leftists ought to share. So why are they so opposed to research in this area? They react with horror at anyone even trying to even do the measurements, and if you dare to publish, they bring out all the big guns in an effort to ruin your career and isolate you from society. K5 has it's own cadre of these leftist fascists, trying to suppress debate by calling people racists and downrating comments. So why is this? Why do these leftists want to stifle discussion and research in this area? What are they so afraid of?

They are afraid that Jensen is right. The leftists believe that blacks really are less intelligent than whites, and they are terrified that scientific study will bear this out. Why else would they want to prevent the study? Why else would they want to keep the truth from coming out?

That's the dirty little secret of the left. The left of the political spectrum is full of racists. Not arrogant nationalistic bigots who think they have the right to control the world and dominate the lesser races. No, these are condescending elitist bigots who think they have the duty to control the world and take care of the lesser races.


Everybody relax, I'm here.
And Back in 1962 (5.00 / 10) (#225)
by czolgosz on Sun Jan 5th, 2003 at 04:58:46 PM EST

Banesh Hoffman wrote a well-reasoned book in 1962 called The Tyranny of Testing about the inherent folly of trying to boil intelligence down to a single factor, and of trying to measure it at all. Of course, Hoffman was not a psychologist. Instead he was just some guy, one of whose jobs happened to have been to help Einstein do his mathematics (there had been one embarrassing instance in Albert's early career where got some interesting conclusions in a paper and it was later found that he had divided by zero-- oops).

Since that time, people who have scored in the double digits include Jim Watson, the biochemist who, along with Francis Crick and others, worked out the structure of DNA.

I myself score very high on SAT's, GRE's and IQ tests, which has made me a beneficiary of the ignorant bias of academic institutions. But that hasn't stopped me from realizing that it's an arbitrary and falsely reductionist measure of human abilities, although it does appear to be a good measure of the extent of exposure to Western literate culture, and is even used as such by some anthropologists.

Anyone who has ever benchmarked a computer system will already know how little useful information is conveyed by a single scalar score to represent performance or capacity. Now consider the applicability of such a boneheaded measure to a system as dynamic, labile and complex as the human mind, and the injustice of taking such an inanity seriously in decisions that affect a person's future, even when those decisions and biases aren't as extreme as the excesses of the eugenics movement, which used IQ testing to bolster their mad political theories.





Interesting (5.00 / 3) (#219)
by Big Sexxy Joe on Sun Jan 5th, 2003 at 02:01:52 PM EST

Africa has 13.4% of the world's population and I presume most of them or are black Africans. But this article claims the that the typical black African is only smarter than 2.5% of the world's population. It says that black Africans have an IQ two standard deviations below normal, which means that their average I.Q. is 70, which means the average black African is mentally retarded.

When the state executes a man, it becomes a murderer. When the state sends a man to prison, it becomes a gay dungeon master.
EQ ?? (4.50 / 4) (#206)
by runlevel0 on Sun Jan 5th, 2003 at 11:22:06 AM EST

> Emotional intelligence has enjoyed success in
> terms of selling books. To the best of my
> knowledge there are no tests of EQ that rest
> on a solid scientific basis.

The concept itself is somehow confusing:

A person with a high degree of inteligence can perfectly figure out or "simulate" how other people feels, recognize it's feelings and even have a real big (and sometimes painfull) emotional live.

I talk from my own experience.
I already scored 100+2SD as I was 10 y.o..
The fact is that I sometimes feel like Asimov's character 'The Mule': I 'know' how peolple feel in a given situation, or better, I'm able to 'simulate' there emotions.
It's an automatic response and sometimes really painfull. I'm unable to watch the news at TV without getting ill.

The fact is that I know that this 'simulation' is not a result of some strange kind of "emotional inteligence" nor an ESP faculty but simply the result of a well educated brain functioning at top speed.
The same could be said from the 'intuition':
Somebody wrote "intuition is the mind in a hurry", and if you analize how you came to an intuitive reaction you can see that it in fact is a process which works in a way between rational thinking and a reflex action.

So IMHO, EG is just an excuse for the <100 ;)

IQ Tests (3.60 / 5) (#199)
by bugmaster on Sun Jan 5th, 2003 at 09:10:27 AM EST
(bugmaster(nospam)@earthlink.net)

I see a lot of comments to the extent of, "Your IQ only measures how good you are at taking IQ tests". But this statement seems a bit disingenuous to me. It's like saying, "Your algebra test score only measures how good you are at taking algebra tests, not how good you are at algebra". However, most people will probably concede the fact that knowing algebra well is, indeed, a cause of doing well on an algebra test.

Some people also say that there is no such thing as "intelligence", and that all people are smart in their own way. This statement seems to me to be more politics than science... In any population, there is usually some variation along any trait, and intelligence/problem-solving capability/being smart/etc. is not an exception.
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Some more or less intelligent comments (5.00 / 11) (#197)
by Termite on Sun Jan 5th, 2003 at 07:23:17 AM EST

JensAAMC wrote:
"Significance of g
Many things of real life importance are correlated with g. Positively correlated with g are for instance length of formal education, occupational success, income, altruism, creativity and social skills. Negatively correlated are for instance crime, psychoticism, racial prejudice, authoritarianism and number of children."

Well, I could have told you that without the need to administer one single intelligence test. Anyone's basic social prejudices will be enough to predict what people, and what groups of people, will score well or badly. Do intelligence tests do anything but confirming the judgment that society already has branded people with? Will an intelligence test ever be able to tell us that this bum sleeping in the street is in fact our generation's Mozart?

Things like this: "Races do differ in IQ scores. Highest scoring are Ashkenazim Jews (100 + 1 SD) and some groups of Asians. Lowest scoring are black Africans (100 - 2 SD)" should not surprise or shock anyone. This is just another way of saying that bookish kids from well educated families score better at written tests. I happen to be one of those bookish kids, but still all the intellectual garbage I have to accept if I'm going to believe in intelligence tests makes me bristle. I'd like to summarize JensAAMC's post as an intelligent statistical treatment of some questionable, perhaps even irrelevant, raw data. And you know what they say: irrelevant data in...

A human being is a very versatile animal, for lack of better words. Why should we take for granted that the best way of measuring a human's intelligence is doing a test where you sit at a desk with a pen and a piece of paper? This kind of test will give higher scores to people who feel comfortable sitting at desks, filling in written questions. Many of us do, since this - reading and writing texts, showing off what we have learnt in school exams - is what we have been taught to associate with intelligence. We should keep in mind that this is just a small slice of the big pie of human intelligence.

A good liar and con-man needs to use his intelligence just as well as a good mathematician. Other activities that need intelligence are: stalking and killing an animal without the use of firearms, composing an interesting piece of music, outsmarting a superior enemy at a battlefield, constructing a house without the need for drawings and written instructions, making other people feel intelligent, so they perform above their average level. Would people who score high in written intelligence tests feel comfortable in any of the above situations? I remember an interview with a Gypsy man who said: "I'm an analphabet, but I can read people". How would he score at a university intelligence test? How would you score if you had to do business with him?

And then we have the genes. JensAAMC writes: "Twin studies show that g is around 80% inherited and 20% environmental" - but how does this jibe with what he wrote earlier: "Positively correlated with g are for instance length of formal education, occupational success, income, altruism, creativity and social skills. Negatively correlated are for instance crime, psychoticism, racial prejudice, authoritarianism and number of children"? Are we to believe that people with higher income etc. are genetically superior to the rest of us? All his positive and negative factors (with the possible exception of psychoticism) are not genetically determined - they show that what really matters - in intelligence tests as well as anywhere else - is the cards that are dealt to you after birth.

Probably there is a common factor, something deep that's at the root of all these different kinds of intelligence, but are written intelligence tests the best - or most intelligent! - way of studying this? If we honestly want to measure the very essence of human intelligence, in a way that treats all kinds of intelligence fairly, I doubt that written exams are the best way to go.

oy (3.33 / 6) (#179)
by Rainy on Sat Jan 4th, 2003 at 08:02:50 PM EST
http://silmarill.org

Measuring one's or other's IQ with tests is, I think, a sign of foolishness. I wonder if there's any correlation between a man being a fool and having a high or low IQ score. But we'll never know, I guess.

Let's talk about psychology of this topic. If I say iq tests are bullshit, you will probably say (or, if you're ashamed to say that, you'll certainly think it!) that I scored low or am afraid of scoring low. If I intently object that even though some test or even all may be somewhat flawed, they're still verrry verry interesting and surely are not without merit and in fact there's a whole wagon of merit in them; why that means I scored high and that touched that snobbish trait of mine.

Guess what? Even saying you got a high score and that you still think it's bullshit, does not prove anything. What if you're certain you're smart+++ but your score "only" shows you're smart++?

So let's put this behind us for now and talk about IQ. Is it a good thing to score high or a bad thing? Is it imaginable that a high score would be a bad sign? With my imagination - sure. It could mean you're so anxious and insecure you had to try really hard so you'd have a *number* that says you're worthy. Others may have been smarter yet but they just don't give it much weight. They think "oh, a test, iq test, big deal, I'll scribble something quickly and then get back to thinking about my new theory connecting gravity and QED in 15th dimension" while you sit there and "THINK THINK DAMN IT WHICH TRIANGLE LOOKS MORE LIKE THE SQUARE WITH SQUIGGLY LINE IN IT?"

It could be that other people taking the test are better than you when solving problems that are interesting to them. You have higher capacity for solving abstract, useless problems, but don't do as well in real situations. They do it better when they love it, when they dream about it. Perhaps TV inventor had a dream of having greatest scientists of the world (or best writers, painters, etc) giving lectures that billions can see at the same time all over the globe. But give him a pencil and a paper with shapes printed all over it and he'll be bored despite his best efforts, could that be?

What if good score simply shows that you are not doing anything useful? Dostoevsky's are home, feverishly developing characters for their upcoming books, Saddams are planning takeover of the world, Platos are thinking about man's soul, and a dumbass in wrinkled jeans is passionately trying to prove the world that he's in top 0.1 percentile for matching squares with triangles.

Oh, that 'g' seems so reassuring, "hey, it correlates over subtests!". But, if any or all possibilities I listed above are correct, g correlation does not prove anything.

So, what's the point in taking the test if we don't know if doing good at it is good and doing bad in it is bad and not vice versa?
--
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Damned dirty apes (2.50 / 2) (#174)
by vleth on Sat Jan 4th, 2003 at 06:57:56 PM EST
(timeandtimeagain@whatusaidaintwhatumean.org)

What use does an intellignece have? Do we use it on children to gauge their process in our leanring institutions? Or is it used more often for people to compare themselves to one another? Really, what use is this test if not to compare yourself to other people? Lower I.Q.s will not tell anyone, and higher I.Q.s will brag about it. I hate these tests. Does a persons "intelligence quotient" tell you about thier morals, thier beliefs, if they are good or evil? Do these tests tell you if a person is lazy or a hard worker? Does this test tell you if a person can contribute something important to our communities? I've met many people of good character whom I resepect very much that I doubt very much would score in the genious range, or very high at all for that matter. But they are good people. People deserving of my friendship and trust. Being "intelligent" isn't everything. I'm sure there are pleanty of people with high I.Q.s who are completely useless. These tests breed errogance.




Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck
"Quotient" means division (4.25 / 4) (#152)
by Shimmer on Sat Jan 4th, 2003 at 04:03:26 PM EST
(berns-at-rdacustomsoftware-dot-com)

I don't see how you can discuss IQ without mentioning that IQ is supposed to represent a quotient, a ratio of two numbers.

IQ = mental age / physical age

-- Brian
I'm much happier being unhappy than I'd be being happy.
Some comments... (4.60 / 15) (#144)
by merkri on Sat Jan 4th, 2003 at 01:39:44 PM EST

I had a lot of comments on some of these replies, and rather than comment on them individually, I thought I'd post a single comment here. I'm an advanced graduate student in clinical psychology who specializes in psychometrics, statistics, and behavioral genetics, and so I have a lot to say--not because I know everything, but because it's closely related to what I do (I tend to specialize in personality measurement, but there's a lot of overlap).

First, I have something to say to those who say twin studies are nonsense: they're not. I think that, based on the literature, a heritability of 80% is stretching it--it's probably more like 50-70%. I could give some cites, but I can't remember them exactly and I'm too lazy to post them. I think there was a Bayesian meta-analytic review of twin and family studies published in Nature not too long ago, so if you have access it, go look there. IQ tends to be more heritable than other traits, such as personality, but it's also measured better, and there's less error.

It's important to recognize that a heritability of 50-70% leaves a lot of room for environmental effects. No one in behavioral genetics--almost no one, anyway--believes that intellectual ability is entirely due to genes. The problem isn't that people believe environment doesn't have an effect, it's that it's difficult as hell to pinpoint how environment does have an effect. It's notoriously difficult to demonstrate that any environmental factor has any effect, although family and twin studies do support their existence.

In that regard, it's important to note that heritability changes with age. My understanding of it is that g tends to be very heritable at very young ages, then becomes less heritable through childhood and adolescence, then increases in heritability again throughout adulthood. My understanding of the literature is that, in addition to prenatal variables (alcohol during pregnancy, etc.), the current environment has a big effect, but not necessarily the past environment. That is, the environment you're in right now has an effect on you right now, but if you change the environment, there aren't usually any lingering effects (short of brain damage). That seems to be true of personality especially, and may be less true of g. Current thinking about the Flynn effect doesn't necessarily contradict this, although what causes the Flynn effect is very poorly understood.

The biological substrates of g are poorly understood. However, it's worth noting a relatively recent study in Nature or Science (again, I'm on vacation, so I won't bother with HTML) demonstrating that performance of tasks highly correlated with g (i.g., "loading" on g) tends to be associated with neural activity in a specific region of the brain. I think this region was the lateral prefrontal cortex (sort of in the front and side of your head, by your forehead and temples). It's a cool study because it suggests that there is a general brain area associated with g.

Second, a comment about those statistics and the reality of g. The psychometric theory underlying g --and other psychological traits--is essentially identical to current statistical accounts of causality. So, if you're familiar with Judea Pearl's work on conditional independence and causality, it may help you to understand the notion of g. To simplify immensely, the idea is that if two variables are conditionally independent on a third variable, that third variable can be thought of as a cause of A and B--i.e., if A and B are statistically independent given C, C can be thought of as a cause of A and B. So, if you have a set of correlations between a bunch of variables, and those correlations go to zero once you consider another variable, that variable can be thought of as a cause of all the other variables.

Thus the theory of g: you model a variable (g) that, once considered, renders other variables uncorrelated with one another. Of course, you never observe g directly, you infer it from the pattern of correlations.

You may thus think that g is a bunch of nonsense. But then you have to explain why performance on all these tasks are correlated with one another. To do so, you have to posit something. And that something will probably be something like g.

Third, about those who have taken intellectual tests or whatever and feel they're nonsense because the scores change a bunch. I have given some IQ tests in clinical settings, and I can tell you that (1) if you are super anxious or whatever, your performance won't accurately reflect your intellectual abilities, (2) if someone who doesn't know what they're doing gives you the test, it may not be accurate, and (3) those self-administered tests aren't anywhere near as valid as clinically-administered tests, because there's no one making sure you aren't cutting corners, so to speak. None of these things, however, is to say that a properly administered IQ test is invalid. Correlations between different measure of g, or different tests at different times, are remarkably high (about .8-.98).

Finally, g doesn't reflect every ability that's important. g, for example, tends to be correlated only about .4 with academic performance. Job performance studies show that personality traits such as conscientiousness add significantly to the prediction of job performance, over and above g. Finally, even within the realm of cognitive abilities, there seem to be certain things lacking on certain tests and in most IQ tests in general. The WAIS, for example--the most commonly given IQ test--tends to be heavily speeded and thus biases scores in favor of those who are just fast; it neglects memory to a certain extent. The Stanford-Binet, similarly, is biased toward unspeeded memory tests. And both tests seem to be lacking measures of what might be called "creativity": the ability to generate new ideas (although creativity has been notoriously difficult to measure historically speaking). They also seem to lack, in my mind, measures of logical reasoning--the sort of stuff that used to be on the GRE analytical subtest.

There is no IQ (4.09 / 11) (#135)
by fhotg on Sat Jan 4th, 2003 at 12:39:09 PM EST
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This article, though nicely written, tries to gloss over the main problem with "IQ-testing" with technical terms.

The "g-factor" describes the tendency of the various "subtests" to correlate. As such it says something about the people making up the tests, it says nothing about the existence of an "IQ".
It is possible to increase scores on IQ tests through practice. However, when analyzing such results it turns out that the increases are not in g. Rather such increases mean that people have increased their test taking skill.
Oh no, you didn't get stronger. You just improved your weight lifting skills. Come on, the only way to measure a person's g is by testing. So you improve your g by getting better at tests. It does not help to argue that this can't be, because as everybody knows, g is independend of the tests and a nearly unalterable quality of people. It just isn't.

The old saying that an IQ tests just measures the ability to score at IQ-tests holds.

Also you seem to believe "correlation" would have something to do with "causation", else you wouldn't write sentences like
It therefore seems like g does not only have consequences on the individual level but can also be used in explanations of demographical phenomena.
Classical example of "carried away by stats 101". For sure, g (remember, it's a test score) doesn't have consequences neither on the individual nor on demographic phenomena. For sure the other way round, though.
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My favorite IQ test. (4.66 / 9) (#100)
by NFW on Sat Jan 4th, 2003 at 02:28:11 AM EST
http://www.natew.com/

It's very simple. Do you know your arse from your elbow?



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Scoring Under 100 (4.00 / 10) (#98)
by jjayson on Sat Jan 4th, 2003 at 02:14:44 AM EST

Am I the only person here that scored under 100 on an IQ test? I know I am not the brightest person out there. I don't need a test to tell me that.

However, I probably did better than almost everybody else on this site on their SAT score, and I did go to Cal, so that might mean something. Not that I deserved either of these.

It just seems like attempts to categorize intelligence tend to fail. I don't understand how people can actually trust them?

Much ado about nothing (3.50 / 2) (#95)
by stpap on Sat Jan 4th, 2003 at 02:07:11 AM EST
(stpap@somewhere.in.uk)

Ok consider this.
Say we agree on what intelligence is. Now, assume I have irrefutable evidence that all European males are, on average, less intelligent than African males. Considering that most of the population in the two bellshaped (normal) curves overlap (and that is true in every result I have seen so far - please correct me if I am wrong) does it really matter if the remaining 10-15% is smarter and by how much? And what would it really mean to be 2-3% smarter than someone else?
Anyway, it is highly unlikely that a common view on what intelligence is will be reached anytime soon. And the effect of upbringing on intelligence will still have to be measured.   And then the moral implications (if any) of such findings will have to be examined. I am not too concerned with this :)  

IQ and raising (3.76 / 13) (#86)
by strlen on Sat Jan 4th, 2003 at 12:13:17 AM EST
(strlen)

Regarding the racial differences in IQ, it's my opinion, that may be due to parenting techniques. From what I've heard, blacks raised in white families, actually, do not differ IQ-wise from whites. My guess, is that far too many black families in the US, aren't aware of proper parenting techniques. Great deal of what is the IQ is determined at an early age. Children are very curious and very interested in learning, and that curiosity and interest must be stimulated from now on.

Being an Ashkenazim Jew, I could also easily argue, for the reason for such a high score, too being, the way children are reared. In many Jewish families, especially the religious ones in the US, you won't even find a television set inside the house. Why? Because there's a great emphasis on raising children by parents, not by televisions sets. In addition, the cultural atmosphere of required literacy (religion required many jews to read the Torah, which requires literacy), again, fosters an atmosphere, which causes parents to stimulate and enhance their children's desire to learn.

Knowing a certain amount of Asians, I can also say that the same goes for their families as well: the culture places a very high value on children's intelectual development at an early age.

Now, why doesn't the black culture do the same, in the United States? Not to sound like a race-whoring liberal idiot, but the legacy of slavery may have indeed had an effect; as well as the legacy of living in a subsitenence agriculture-based society, in a climate and environment where most all life necessities are naturally available. But the news is, is that it's totally correctable, and that is what I'm trying to say.

Now, as for IQ tests themselves, I've taken a couple online ones, but they're far too fake, in my opinion, to matter. Yes, the scores I got are high, but so were the scores of most anyone else I know who took such a test. Someone I know took an on-line test and scores a 200, which likely, isn't possible. In addition, an online IQ test, won't even allow for all techniques that can be done in a standard test. I'll also refuse to take a normal IQ as well. Why? If I score low, I'll consider myself stupid and lose all motiviation to try and lorn; if I score high, I'll consider myself "better than everyone" or "exceptional", and again will simply not do any hard work. IQ and success in life may be correlated, but there's no way that correlation of individuals with IQ and succesfully individuals (basically the assertion "if you have a high IQ you;ll be succesfull") is 100%.

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I voted +1 FP (3.50 / 2) (#84)
by gr3y on Sat Jan 4th, 2003 at 12:01:13 AM EST
(uce@ftc.gov)

because I want to see what other people have to say on the subject of IQ. Reading what has been said so far has been great fun, and very interesting.

The article was a little technical, by which I mean that an attempt was obviously made to explain your proposition, and that it seems self-consistent and reasonable, but that I don't agree with all of it. I don't believe there is "kinesthetic", "interpersonal", or "intrapersonal" intelligence. I don't believe there is such a thing as "emotional" intelligence.

Personally, I prefer the concept of "EQ" or simply "wisdom". Emotion is every bit as real as intellect, and disregarding one for the other generally causes problems in adaptation, but neither is equivalent to the other. I also believe "EQ" is harder to measure, to the point of being almost unmeasurable.

But the subject of IQ generates a lot of opinion, and I like to hear what people have to say.

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Mensa (4.43 / 23) (#78)
by StephenThompson on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 10:45:26 PM EST

I have been to many Mensa meetings (though I am not a member and have never taken an IQ test) and I must testify that although they may all have done well on some standardized test, they are nearly all fools.  They pay somebody to tell them they smart, and meet at cheesy hotel ball rooms to socialize with alcohol.

I found them to be very single minded (usually in their chosen field) and very bad dressers.  Few struck me as especially smart.

IQ is a fantasy clung to by those who have trouble coping in society and need something comforting to explain their alienation. Or sometimes their superiorty complex.  Often both.

you forgot the best book link of all (4.50 / 10) (#73)
by SocratesGhost on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 10:15:47 PM EST

Stephen Jay Gould's Mismeasure of Man which gives a history of how every method for measuring intelligence has been debunked up to and including the early IQ tests.

While some people think he's setting up a straw man, he's making a very good and subtle point. Do we have enough confidence in the assessment of these intelligence tests that we can hold a person's life accountable to their score? If not, then why perform any measurement at all? Frankly, I don't care whether I have a high IQ. The score doesn't matter; it's what I do with it that counts.


-Soc
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heh (3.50 / 4) (#72)
by postindustrialist on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 10:07:31 PM EST
(postindustrialist@hotmail.com)

i've never taken an iq test and i doubt i ever will.. there's more to a person and how they handle problems than IQ.. i find myself to be a horribly simple person and not quite as well educated as most people here,and yet my problem solving skills are in themselves a force to be reckoned with. there's always more than one way to skin a can and beyond that, the real world is a most illogical one and filled with things that not even science can explain.
oooh.. looks likes somebody has anger problems.
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best and most fun IQ test I know of (3.50 / 4) (#70)
by speek on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 09:41:01 PM EST

http://www.tnelson.demon.co.uk/mazes/

 
poll (1.00 / 3) (#69)
by nodsmasher on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 09:30:32 PM EST
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you never explained what 100 + sd was score wise
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The Spark has the best IQ tests (3.25 / 4) (#68)
by BinaryTree on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 09:30:17 PM EST

See for yourself.

Against IQ tests (3.57 / 14) (#51)
by jman11 on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 07:22:28 PM EST

IQ tests are frequently used to justify racism, sexism and any form of elitism you care to mention.  Complete ignorance of statistical certainty, mean and standard deviation comparison all aid most analyses of IQ scores.

The old stalwart of "people from race X score higher than race Y" has appeared.  Of course the test was written by someone from race X, which might have something to do with it.  Also one of the following correlations is often used wealth and high IQ score.  This is taken to mean high IQ ==> wealth, where as it could mean wealth ==> high IQ, or even neither.

-The first question to ask yourself is what is an IQ test measuring?
-Your IQ of course, so what is IQ?
-Well it means Intelligence Quotient.
-What's that?
-It's got something to do with intelligence.
-So if mine is higer I'm smarter?

Of course I've never heard a good definition of what intelligence is.  So how the fuck can you measure it?  You have to understand something before you can measure it.  Of course a circular definition allows you to get over this minor flaw.

So why is the IQ test so popular, because it tells the people who wrote and encourage them what they want to hear.  People, even for the most part nonracist, don't mind being told they are better than others.  The people who write (and for the most part sit these) tests are stroking their own ego.  Other cultures and groups are forced to take them at the outer skirts and always end up doing worse.  Thus we are better.

Of course no one wants to hear this, as it is evidence for what alot of people don't want to think of themselves.
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Is it science? Is the assertion falsifiable? (4.00 / 4) (#48)
by borful on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 07:14:32 PM EST

This article discusses how researchers have correlated IQ test results with demographic information and concluded that, for example, Ashkenazim Jews score higher than black Africans.

Has anyone seen or heard of tests that correlate differently? Are there standardized tests that do not correlate to ethnic group? Are there tests that do correlate, but not in the same way that these abstract pattern matching tests correlate? Have researchers done such work?

Looking at it another way: Is it possible to design a pattern matching test for which black Africans would score higher than Ashkenazim Jews?

- borful
Money is how people with no talent keep score.
To answer the poll... (4.25 / 4) (#44)
by CtrlBR on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 06:59:34 PM EST

...I need to know the SD for the test at www.iqtest.com.

It awarded me genius sized score but I really wonder if anyone get under 100, given that they want to sell you a certificate with your results, no one is going to hang a "your're fucking dumb" certificate over his desk...

Anyone know of any honest test online?

Baldrson?!? Is that you?!? (3.00 / 2) (#42)
by AmberEyes on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 06:56:58 PM EST
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I'm not sure what it means (3.00 / 1) (#37)
by Levesque on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 06:42:11 PM EST

Ability and willingness to provide the required answers to certain types of questions in a particular environment corrolates somewhat with the probability of certain types of behaviour occuring.

The "intelligence" test predicts performance on similar tasks in a similar environments.

Exceptions can be accounted for, to avoid the mesurement of a mirage.


No, i'm not saying anything that i did not clearly stated.



 
intelligence testing (3.60 / 10) (#30)
by pathetic on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 06:30:15 PM EST

is just yet another reason for people to think that they are better than others. Some people have such low self-esttem that they want to think that they are better than others somehow, anyhow.

IMHO, people who go around saying that they have an IQ of 163 are unintentionally amusing. If they had any clue about people they would know to keep their mouth shut. It just goes to show you that IQ tests definitely don't measure social intelligence.

BTW I am somewhat disturbed by the fact this obviously racist, inaccurate article is being voted up.

Fundamentally flawed? (4.44 / 9) (#26)
by sto0 on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 06:15:54 PM EST
(stuart at tropic dot org dot uk) http://www.nontrivial.uklinux.net

Surely the results of any IQ test display an individual's ability at that test and bear no real affirmative advice on the individual's general ability? Sadly, the limitations of IQ tests do not address factors such as social intelligence, dexterity skills and so forth.

For instance, what about managerial roles that require a person to deal with people in a very skilled way? How can a paper-based test take those kinds of things into account? I've know people who are incredible when it comes to dealing with other people compared to my own ability, yet have lesser academic ability. Are they less intelligent? Or, say we are taking the case of a highly skilled musician: how can a paper-based test take into account talents in musical interpretation? What happens if they score low in a test? Are they stupid?

IQ test as a whole are all very well, but what you get is people such as Jansen applying results in a wholly spurious way, and resulting in misconceptions about what IQ test "prove".

Intelligence is a very hard thing to measure, and IQ tests can only measure one very limited aspect if it.

Stuart
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Beavis and Butthead (3.55 / 9) (#24)
by SanSeveroPrince on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 06:09:38 PM EST
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I am going to give this the attention it deserves:

'hu, hu... he said G-spot, dude'
'eh, eh, yeah. Cool. G-spot'

It's a bunch of old wives' tales mixed up to look scientific. Shame on you.

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What are "subtests"? (3.50 / 2) (#22)
by borful on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 06:08:04 PM EST

I got through most of the material on the page linked as "factor analysis" and I'm not sure I understand it. Also, I've not seen an IQ test in some years so this is working from memory.

IIRC, the IQ tests I've seen have different sections; many of the sections have questions of the "What comes next" genre. They'll list some numbers or letters or pictures or something and give choices as to the next in sequence. (I also recall word definition sections.) Are each of these sections what you mean by "subtest"? One subtest is the "What number comes next?" section and another is the "What picture comes next?"

Moving on to the "q factor", again if I understand the "factor analysis" page and your own explanation of it, the "q factor" measures correlation between these sections, right? This means that if I do well on "What number comes next?", I'm also likely to do well on "What picture comes next?" . . . isn't that what correlation means?

If you end up doing a rewrite on the article, some examples might clear this up.

If I'm understanding this correctly, it seems to me that the "q factor" would not be any better than the raw IQ test scores when moving on to try to correlate with various demographic attributes. (Off topic, I don't see how skill at answering "What <x> comes next?" questions correlates to "intelligence", but that's just me.)

Good story; should produce some good discussion.

-borful
Money is how people with no talent keep score.
 
Major nitpick (4.42 / 19) (#21)
by localroger on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 06:06:45 PM EST
(localroger@hotmail.com)

Twin studies show that g is around 80% inherited and 20% environmental. This leaves little hope of increasing g,

This has been beaten to death but my opinion is that the kindest thing that can be said about twin studies is that they are complete bullshit, and the kindest thing that can be said about anybody who draws a conclusion from one is that he is a complete fool. Nothing personal, but there is a long and sordid history of both padding the results and using those padded results to justify all manner of evil reverse-Robin-Hood social engineering.

Incidentally, when my girlfriend took her first IQ test her score was 65. The last one she ever took it was 190. If that's all test wiseness then the standard deviation of g itself must be interestingly large.

Incidentally, speaking as someone who has measured at least 100+2.5 SD on every standardized test I've ever taken, my own experience suggests that the whole idea is bullshit. People with exceptional abilities often have them because they have diverted energy from developing other common skills which the tests aren't measuring, such as how to flirt or memorize every baseball statistic since 1957. And people who do poorly on them often have exceptional skills which the tests aren't measuring, such as keeping straight hundreds of subtle relationships and minor skills that contribute to survival in an inner-city jungle.

I also think nutrition, appropriate early stimulation, and affluence have a lot more to do with it than the genetic code, inasmuch as it has anything to do with anything other than random thermal noise during development at all.

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Intelligence is a commodity (3.20 / 5) (#16)
by imrdkl on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 05:58:42 PM EST
(metronet.com!wjm)

But wisdom is a gift.

Has anyone... (2.50 / 4) (#14)
by TheOnlyCoolTim on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 05:55:39 PM EST
(tim.bolbrock@verizon.thisistobedeleted.net)

Has anyone ever conducted a study comparing the genes of high, average, and low IQ people in an attempt to find the genes for intelligence?

Tim
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Let me (3.77 / 9) (#11)
by medham on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 05:50:26 PM EST

Be the first person to point out that Jensen is an incorrigible racist. I don't think the rest is worth commenting upon.




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I just hope baldrson doesn't buy that book (3.50 / 4) (#8)
by TheOnlyCoolTim on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 05:44:32 PM EST
(tim.bolbrock@verizon.thisistobedeleted.net)

He'd put it into his magic corellator and have a field day.

Tim
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Blacks have an average I.Q. of 70? (4.00 / 4) (#5)
by Big Sexxy Joe on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 05:34:17 PM EST

"Politically Dangerous" indeed. Your article claims blacks are, on average, retarded. (100- 2S.D=70) I question whether this is the accepted wisdom on this topic.

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Problems with measuring intelligence (3.57 / 7) (#3)
by Demiurge on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 05:07:40 PM EST

Because any definition has to be at least partially subjective, I don't think you can have a really comprehensive measure of intelligence. Indeed, the term is so nebulous and ill-defined that it's simply not possible to simply assign a number to someone's overall mental acuity. So many factors contribute to someone's 'intelligence' that trying to quantify and measure it seems an impossible task. I, for example, have an IQ of over 190. What does that mean, quanitatively? That I scored well on an IQ test, nothing more.

thanks for the article (2.92 / 13) (#1)
by tps12 on Fri Jan 3rd, 2003 at 04:57:49 PM EST

I've always had trouble locating the g factor.

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